Comparisons to spitfire and hurricane why many western pilots. The classic opponents during the battle of britain. The most detailed information about messerschmitt bf 109. Everyday low prices and free delivery on eligible orders. This content was uploaded by our users and we assume good faith they have the permission to share this book.
The me109 v spitfire debate keeps going james hollands. The matchups are quite interesting, and show the continual push for more speed and climb throughout the war. It was very interesting to note that jg 2 and jg 26 kept bf 109fs on hand even after the fw190a entered service in numbers because of the formers superior high altitude performance something the luftwaffe would sorely need once the units of the. A free and open source software to merge, split, rotate and extract pages from pdf files. Feb 15, 2008 the 109 e1 of emil was equipped by the majority of the units during the battle of britainand had 4 rheinnmetallborsig mg17 7. Artwork and analysis provides a pilots view of dramatic clashes as two legendary fighters and big name pilots of world war ii went headtohead in the skies of northwest europe.
In this subjunctive history, we look at how the luftwaffes mitsubishi a6m zeros were a decisive weapon in the battle of britain. After doing some light research on both the bf109 and the spitfire during the battle of britain, i keep running into conflicting information on how the aircraft compared with each other. Similar to the case of the hurricane the spitfire was superior to the messerschmitt bf 109 fighter in a dogfight, since it had considerably better turning. For targets deeper in europe, the spitfires short range was a severe limitation and precluded it as an escort. As the battle of britain approached its conclusion, two new versions of the famous spitfire and messerschmitt bf 109 arrived. A 20 second video of a german bf 109 shooting at a spitfire shot with a camera mounted on the bf 109.
Messerschmitt 109 vs spitfire what is the better aircraft. The supermarine spitfire was a very serious rival to the german messerschmitt bf 109, abbreviated me 109, and it developed during the battle of britain in 1940 into a very worthy opponent, although one with different flying qualities. Their rivalry started when they were designed at the same time in the mid1930s. The bf 109 was a difficult plane on the ground and was renowned for being a killer of novices because of its narrow track under carriage both on take off and landing. Of course there is a speed difference between the p51 and bf 109. General comments on me 109 training to fly the messerschmitt.
Battle of britain uses firsthand accounts from veterans who flew the planes to chart strategy, narrowing the focus to reconaissance units and analyzing their procedures. These are ww ii fighter planes, i would like to learn which one is faster, results in kmh would be great, and versions for both aircraft is not important, i am seeking for the results of best versions of these great machines. P38 lightnings arrived in the uk during the summer of 42 but this large aircraft its empty weight was double that of the mustangs was at a disadvantage in combat against the messerschmitt bf 109 and the nimble focke wulf fw 190. There is a noticeable gap in fuehrer conferences from 21 july to october 1944. Picking which one was superior over all is hard i think, leaving it to the pilot in deciding which plane was the superior one at the end of each successive day or at any given time until about late 43 early 44.
Bf109 messerschmitt or spitfire which one is faster. Battle of britain video encodings still in process loading. Regarding the climb performance is the curtiss equal at ground level. Flying bf 109 g4 red 7 biggin hill festival of flight 2015 wow duration. This is why even with the spitfire, the bf109 and the fw190 we still be the king of the sky in dcs. Some say the bf 109 is better than the fw 190 maybe becuz of it has somewhat better firepower later versions where cannons can be researched and installed under the wings f4, f4trop, g2,etc. It can be used to combine, split and compare pdf documents. In the messerschmitt bf 109 the luftwaffe possessed possibly the worlds finest fighter aircraft at the beginning of the second world war. This means a nonretractable tailwheel, however this was not representative or standard until march 1943 see here, i. These long lived types included the bf 109, p51 mustang, f4u corsair, yak 39 and spitfire. In the early prewar versions of the bf 109 this was then replaced with a jumo 210 v12 engine jumo standing for junkers motoren, but by the time the war broke out the eversion of the bf 109 had introduced the excellent daimlerbenz db 601.
Spitfire approach, which was to combine the base and final legs into a. Escort spitfire a missed opportunity for longer reach. Neither the german leader adolf hitler nor his high command of the armed forces. Bf 109 k4 1 most of the bf 109k kurfurst series saw du. How the mitsubishi zero won the battle of britain hushkit. It was very interesting to note that jg 2 and jg 26 kept bf109fs on hand even after the fw190a entered service in numbers because of the formers superior high altitude performance something the luftwaffe would sorely need once the units of the. There it was, above and behind, waiting to pounce upon me from out of the sun.
Luftschlacht um england was an effort by the german air force during the summer and autumn of 1940 to gain air superiority over the royal air force raf of the united kingdom in preparation for the planned amphibious and airborne forces invasion of britain by operation sea lion. There have been many stories from the second world war. Apr 11, 2015 in the early prewar versions of the bf 109 this was then replaced with a jumo 210 v12 engine jumo standing for junkers motoren, but by the time the war broke out the eversion of the bf 109 had introduced the excellent daimlerbenz db 601. The dive speed limits listed above are also to be found in vorlaufige fluggenehmigung bf 109 g2 and g6 dive limitations from. Comparison between the spitfire and bf109 during the battle of britian. It was commonly referred to as the me 109 after its designer, willy messerschmitt. After these notes were subsequently typed, they were signed by the commander in chief, navy, in this case admiral doenitz. Spitfire mkv vs bf 109 f4 not for sensitive people youtube. Some are familiar from books and movies or have become legends. Yesterday i encoutnered an offhand comment about whether the spitfire or the messerschmitt.
I have been studying an aerospace technology degree for some time but more importantly i have been exceptionally interested with this aircraft and have been researching it. The me 109 e data used in the following level speed chart derives from flight tests conducted by messerschmitt at augsburg and from the bf 109 e flugzeughandbuch. Bf 109 vs spitfire air battles war thunder official. Aerodynamic efficiency of p51 vs bf 109 axis history forum. By mid42 a further upgraded version of the db 600series had been launched in the form of the db 605. In addition, you can download the pdf file of this website which is at the bottom of page. V and in parallel the development of the bf 109 from emil to friedrich. Apr 30, 2009 for the best answers, search on this site without needing to debate the points made previously by others, i can add. A similar superiority of the bf 109 e exists in the climb performance as well.
Buy spitfire iiv vs bf 109f duel by tony holmes, jim laurier, gareth hector isbn. Messerschmitt bf 109 best fighter of its generation. Flying the messerschmitt bf109e by rob erdos, vintage. Boek maken downloaden als pdf printvriendelijke versie. Supermarine spitfire versus messerschmitt bf 109airplanesupermarine spitfiremesserschmitt bf 109countryunited kingdomgermanytype of aircraftfightermr fighterfirst. The supermarine spitfire was a very serious rival to the german messerschmitt bf 109, abbreviated me 109, and it developed during the battle of britain in 1940. However, my choiceand the subject of this articleis willy messerschmitts bf 109. Galland pointed out that the bf 109 was much more suited to the attack, and that sticking closely to the bombers meant a defensive fight, in which the more manoeuvrable spitfire had an edge. Then bf 209 v4 was an attempt to make the speed plane into a warbird. Bf 109, in full bayerische flugzeugwerke 109, also called me 109, nazi germanys most important fighter aircraft, both in operational importance and in numbers produced. Page 2discussion axion spitfirebf109 micro readytofly. German fighter planes of ww2 comparing the fw 190 and bf 109.
All are worthy of consideration as representing the best fighter of their generation. The spitfire here is way better modeled than the just flight version. On april 11, 2015 october 30, 2015 by corporal frisk in air, historical. Flying the messerschmitt bf109e by rob erdos, vintage wings of canada. I recently read some parts of your book, specifically i glanced over your very intelligent analysis of the bf 109 e or as you correctly point out now known as the me 109 e. The 109 e1 of emil was equipped by the majority of the units during the battle of britainand had 4 rheinnmetallborsig mg17 7. Fw 190 and bf 109 the me bf 209, by herb heres what i have on the 209.
My head swivelled within the tight confines of the bf109 cockpit, looking for the attacker. I just found myself in hb being outrun and outclimbed by bf109gs and sometimes even by a bf109f and even at low altitude in my spitfire mk. The elevator forces and tailplane loads become great at high speeds. A 20 second video of a german bf109 shooting at a spitfire shot with a camera mounted on the bf109. This has prompted a number of letters to fly pasts editor, ken ellis, two of which he has published in this months edition, one agreeing with my. Each mark of the spitfire and 109 seemed to attempt leapfrog over the other in a continual tugofwar in terms of performance, but they are generally remarkably even. This may at least in part be the result of the attack on the fueh rers life on 20 july of that. The k series was a response to the bewildering array of series, models, modification kits and factory conversions for the bf 109, which made production and maintenance complicated and costly something germany could illafford late in the war. Ive recently written an article for fly past magazine comparing the two marks that were available in 1940, the me109e and the spitfire mk i, in which i came down in favour of the messerschmitt. Messerschmitt bf 209 v1 was built as a speed record plane in the mid 30s. The combination of the spitfire and the rollsroyce griffon aeroengine had already proved successful and operationally acceptable with the introduction of the spitfire mk xii only 100 build as low altitude fighter to counter the fockewulf fw 190 hitandrun bomber which used a spitfire mk v airframe for its development. Comparison between the spitfire and bf109 during the battle. Mkii, mkviii, mkxiv and mkxvi included the supermarine spitfire is a british singleseat fighter aircraft that was used by the royal air force and many other allied countries throughout the second world war. Me 109 e comparative test a witnesses of a comparative test made in 1940 by raf pilots at farnborough.
Learn about the raf fighter commands aircraft during the battle of britain from the supermarine spitfire and hawker hurricane, to the bf 109 named the best. Comparison between the spitfire and bf109 during the. Gun camera bf 109 shoots spitfire internet archive. While the bf 109 began with original design followed with bf 109e, bf 109 k4, bf 109 k, bf 109 fg and bf 109 g6r6. As for the long debates regarding the maneuverability of the 109 vs. Sid was assigned to the 4th fighter squadron in tunisia in 1943, and he shot down his first german aircraft, a messerchmitt bf 109, in january of that year. In april, he shot down six more enemy aircraft and eventually had nine victories painted on the side of his spitfire. This book is amazing, if you speak french or if translated versions exist, you should. The nonretractable tailwheel is noted to cause 12 kmh speed loss at 0m see. For the best answers, search on this site without needing to debate the points made previously by others, i can add. Kurfurst vergleichsfliegen bf 109 e, bf 110 c, spitfire.
This is why even with the spitfire, the bf109 and the fw190. Bf 109 vs spitfire air battles war thunder official forum. The insert doctments function allows you adding all or partial pages of a certain. Steam community guide the olden guide to the fw 190. Jan 30, 2017 flying bf 109 g4 red 7 biggin hill festival of flight 2015 wow duration. If you want to get some measure of how aerodynamic an aircraft is, do this. Messerschmitts negotiation of the merger agreement brought him. Designed by the bavarian airplane company in response to a 1934 luftwaffe specification for a highperformance singleseat fighter, the bf 109. Hi, im reading a book from the french ace of the wwii, pierre closterman, le grand cirque, he was a pilot on spitfire ix, v and tempest v. Dec 31, 2006 bf 109 messerschmitt or spitfire which one is faster.
The plane bf 110 c is speedwise inferior to the spitfire, superior to the curtiss and hurricane. In fact, the spitfire and the bf 109 were amongst the first mature fighters to discard the biplane design in favor of the single lowmounted wing that. The d9 was a fantastic plane, so was the kurfurst, but i would have rather seen a somewhat midera coupling. How to build revells 2 messerschmitt bf109 g6 brett green, 20. The british supermarine spitfire and the german messerschmitt bf 109 shaped the course of the second world war. This is why even with the spitfire, the bf109 and the fw.
This is an except from the book fly for your life the story of robert stanford tuck, by larry forrester mayflower books, granada, publishing ltd,1979 isbn 0 578 12787 8. The f1 is a clubber of spits great plane to fly in ec2 as cbr said if you get one behind you dive to 450 500kph pull a split s he will lose all his energy and then climb using your rudder to side climb you will find very soon you will be above and behind himthen bnz or before you climb around behind, climb till he stalls out and jack hammer him. Spitfire communications is a fullservice employee communications firm providing communications that assist mid to large size companies successfully communicate to recruits, employees and retirees through strategy, branding communications and deliverables our founder saw an opportunity to do things differently than the rest of the industry. Softcover, 80 pages, blackandwhite photos, 11 color illustrations isbn. I never understood why they went for the later 109 and 190, while a good 109g vs. Wait a moment, the re 2005 went 700kmh 703kmh for p51d with only 1475hp and a nonlaminar flow wing.
I havent flown the modern il2 for quite some time but i can tell you this. Jul 03, 20 i just found myself in hb being outrun and outclimbed by bf 109gs and sometimes even by a bf109f and even at low altitude in my spitfire mk. Bf 109 k4 1 most of the bf 109k kurfurst series saw duty. Burning skies server dogfight ww ii normandy 1944 bf109 vs spitfire bf109 vs p51 pvp duration. Steam community guide the olden guide to the fw 190 vs. The bf109 was a difficult plane on the ground and was renowned for being a killer of novices because. Surely this must mean the p51 is a massively inferior design. V and in parallel the development of the bf109 from emil to friedrich. Newspapers i of i fuehrer conferences on matters reproduced from best available copy dealing with the german navy 19 4 1 dtic users only.